Dr. Mickey Fitch Collins — human skills facilitator at Learnit and doctoral researcher who spent years interviewing middle managers about their lived experiences — to talk about what her research actually found, why the burnout hiding in that layer is so hard to see, and what one practical tool can help any high achiever start to draw a real line between work and the rest of their life.

Integrations engineer Nischal Rana joins Systems Check to talk burnout in DevOps culture — why the grind gets normalized, what it really costs over time, and the one mindset shift that changes everything: stop optimizing for your best days and start building for your average ones.